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Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)

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Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« on: January 02, 2006, 05:01:34 PM »
Hello,

i am currently doing research into the Underground Propaganda committee of WW2 which organised and disseminated rumours in europe to help the Allied propaganda effort.
It was created within the PWE and i have most of the information i need, but am missing a few key details.

I am trying to find specifics about Individuals related to the group (what department they worked in, who they reported to, anything like that)

If anyone can fill in any gaps i would be very grateful.

1)Sir David Bowes-Lyon
2)Bill Cavendish-Bentink (JIC)
3)Christopher Warner
4)Sir Hans Vischer (JIC ?)
5)Bruce Lockhart
6)John Rayner
7)Brigadier Brooks
8)Major Lennox
9)Walter Adams
10)Mr Barman
11)Colonel P R Chambers
12)Leonard ingrams

Thanks for any help :)

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2006, 05:14:10 PM »
Hi Sulz,

Welcome to the site!  :)

Last year I wrote an article on the UPC which was published in  Falling Leaf  magazine (PsyWar Society) and in Perspectives magazine (PSYOP Association). It should be appearing in a more general, larger circulation military magazine shortly.

The UPC was part of the Political Warfare Executive and it's forerunners, section SO1 of SOE and Department EH.

Most of those people you have listed were members of PWE. Bruce Lockhart was PWE's Director-General. Dallas Brooks was on the Executive committee. As you have mentioned Cavendish-Bentink headed up the Joint Intelligence Committee. Leonard Ingrams worked for the Ministry of Economic Warfare but was an adviser to both PWE and SOE on matters of economic warfare and propaganda. Chambers was PWE's security officer. John Rayner was part of the German section of PWE. I can't remember Sir David Bowes-Lyons official title in PWE, notably he was the Queen's brother.

I will check whether the military magazine is still intending to publish my article, if not I'll add it to this site.

Best wishes,

Lee
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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2006, 06:22:17 PM »
Wow !

That was a fast reply and some GREAT info !

thanks a lot. will try and get a look at your article, sounds like its just what i need.

The names i listed were the 'loose ends' if you will, of my research and i just needed to find how they fit in (or confirm it). Your reply clears it all up. thanks again. Really appreciate it :)

Will see if theres any more info i need and check back again.

Sulz


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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2006, 06:25:44 PM »
Glad to have been of help.

Are you working on an article or something similar? Presumably you're working from the files at the British archives? Little has been published about the UPC apart from my article.

If it'll be useful I can email it directly to you?
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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2006, 06:31:02 PM »
I am currently doing my Dissertation, almost entirely focused on the URC (although not quite sure what my specific 'question' is)

And yes, i have found a distinct lack of available information on the URC (which i had never heard of before i stumbled upon the files in the archives).

initially intended to take a look at official vs black propaganda, but have become fascinated on the UPC and so switched tracks somewhat.

I am working primarily from Fo898/69-71, with some wider information from other files.

some of those rumours are great !

Would Really appreciate a copy of the article ! was just wondering how i could get hold of it.

lgreensmith@hotmail.com

Thanks again !

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2006, 06:50:02 PM »
Just sent it to you. It was originally published in Falling Leaf - the magazine of the PsyWar Society in issues  No. 183 January 2005 & No. 184, April 2005.

If you want to quote me in your dissertation them please credit it to the above. But you've probably done most of this research anyway.

The information about the wooden planes and bombs rumour needs updating as I have more information about the background to it.

Good luck with your dissertation, it's a fascinating subject!

Best wishes,

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2008, 10:35:46 AM »
Just sent it to you. It was originally published in Falling Leaf - the magazine of the PsyWar Society in issues  No. 183 January 2005 & No. 184, April 2005.

If you want to quote me in your dissertation them please credit it to the above. But you've probably done most of this research anyway.

The information about the wooden planes and bombs rumour needs updating as I have more information about the background to it.

Good luck with your dissertation, it's a fascinating subject!

Best wishes,

Lee
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Lee,
Here in Holland questions arose again on this old story on wooden bombs. Can you update me on the most recent stories and , if any, prove of there use? You can of course also email me....thx

Hans

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2008, 11:25:57 AM »
Hi Hans,

This is as far I got with the rumour, from the last update of my 'Whispers of War' article (http://www.psywar.org/sibs.php):

Quote from: Lee Richards, Whispers of War
An example of one of the really bad rumours concocted by the UPC and which was severely ridiculed by the Air Ministry said that in a Messerschmitt fighter brought down recently, some of the rivets were found to be made of wood! It seems the UPC had a preoccupation with wooden planes, suggested in January 1941, another of their rumours joked:

The Germans built a dummy aerodrome in Normandy with wooden planes. Next night the RAF bombed it – with wooden bombs!15

The sib was not approved for dissemination, since the ISSB considered it liable to compromise intelligence sources. The joke, however, appeared in print a few months later in the CBS correspondent, William L. Shirer's book, Berlin Diary: The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent, 1934-1941. Under the entry for 27 November 1940, Shirer claims he heard it from a mysterious source referred to only as "X" but this time the location of the dummy aerodrome was near Amsterdam. It is now impossible to tell whether PWE supplied this amusing anecdote to Shirer as filler for his book, or if it was Shirer who got the story in circulation after his return from Germany. Either way since the war it has become an urban legend in various guises.


So either 1) Shirer first heard the story in Berlin in November 1940, which then somehow also got back to London by January 1941...

Or 2) the UPC made up the story in January 1941, it was blocked for dissemination, then the UPC modified the location and planted it on an unsuspecting Shirer when he was preparing his 'Berlin Diary' for publication in, IIRC, June 1941.

Not sure if it's relevant or not, but "X" happened to be the code letter for the German section of the Special Operations Executive. However, in theory, SOE's department D/Q were responsible for spreading the rumours, not "X" section.

Version 2 is just speculation on my part and perhaps I should remove my tin-foil hat  ;)

Lee

- Editted to add, All sides did use wooden decoys of aircraft, tanks, etc. but I do not suspect for one moment that the RAF actually dropped wooden bombs on any wooden aerodromes; it was just a good story and typical of British humour.


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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2008, 11:35:24 AM »
Lee,

I just provided the forum on which the question showed up with a link to your very good sibs/rumours article. If ok to you, I will also ad your latest comment there...? Or, if you want to, you can do it yourself if you are registered there.

See: http://www.tommy-talk.com/viewtopic.php?t=6887

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2008, 11:57:51 AM »
Go ahead Hans, please link to the article and this thread, if it is useful.

It's interesting how this story keeps cropping up and in different versions. I think there's also a US Air Force version with the wooden bombs being dropped on Japanese decoy aerodromes as well.

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2008, 12:06:03 PM »
Go ahead Hans, please link to the article and this thread, if it is useful.

It's interesting how this story keeps cropping up and in different versions. I think there's also a US Air Force version with the wooden bombs being dropped on Japanese decoy aerodromes as well.

Lee

Done,
Links added to tommy-talk forum.
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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2009, 06:40:48 PM »
Hello everybody!

I’m the writer of a book: “The riddle of the wooden bomb. Wood for wood” prefaced by sir David Whiting former RAF engineer, step-son of Lord Dowding and specialist air warfare during WW2. This work is a serious synthesis about a subject never treated. An inventory documented and enriched by 86 illustrations and 187 notes and references. It brings together 163 stories and testimonies emanating from military pilots, resisters, veterans (whose German testimonies !) which may be ordinary soldiers, but also big names in aviation as well as senior officers . There are stories of former workers requisitioned on German airfields, professionals of Air Force, historians of the Second World War, some are academics. The author affirms nothing on the subject he could not personally verify. It was the careful record of all tracks interpretation of the phenomenon: the track Neve (confusion with decoys on the ground with bombs made of wood), the track Verstraeten (confusion with drop tanks), the track De Vos (disinformation propaganda). When engaged in a direction that does not prove conclusively (wooden bomb of Lillemer) it has rectified the matter and acknowledged that it was a false trail. Regarding the thesis of Dr. Benamou (french historian specialist of Normandy) involving shares of SOE in Psywar, he acknowledges in the book it is unfortunately unprovable. Regarding the interpretation Billion of "Ailes anciennes Le Bourget" (bomb glued laminated wood ), he acknowledges it has not obtained validation despite its many efforts to confirm it. Finally the track (call Whiting theory) that Normandy refers to the famous U.S. wooden bombs Mark 4 & 5 (smocking or floating bomb) is the only one for which he has clearly found a range of evidence and corroborating testimonies that led into a conclusive end of the book (case Merlier to Prédefin North France). This track embodies the famous case that now is no longer a myth but a historical reality. For more informations : http://www.lespressesdumidi.fr/the_riddle_wooden_bombs.html or www.courouble.info This book is translated in English by Frances Harper daughter of a RAF fighter pilot during ww2.

Pierre-Antoine Courouble

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Re: Underground Propaganda committee (PWE)
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2011, 11:50:57 PM »
What is the main purpose of Underground Propaganda committee of WW2?

 

 

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