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New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"

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New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« on: January 04, 2015, 06:09:25 PM »
While serving in Germany in the US Army I bought a folder of German WWII documents and newspapers.  I lost interest them and recently unearthed them while cleaning out my basement.  I decided to sell them and was researching them so I could describe what they were.  One of them led me to this site.  Please take a look at the attachments.  Could this be an original copy of "Das Neue Deutschland" along with the original addressed and stamped envelope?  It seems to fall into the pattern of the examples I've seen in articles about "Operation Cornflakes".  I have more pictures if needed.  Any assistance or information will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2015, 01:20:01 AM »
Hi Dennis,

A nice find! Was the "Das Neue Deutschland" newspaper actually inside the envelope when you found it?

Not sure if the envelope is a Cornflakes one as the postmark date seems a little too late, with the last air drop being at the end of March. But it would come down to a specialist appraisal of the postage stamp, if it's an OSS fake or not.

What are the dimensions of the newspaper?

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2015, 08:30:49 AM »
Thanks very much for the comments!  In answer to your questions, the paper was inside the envelope when I found it; the paper is approximately 17 1/2 x 11 1/2 inches.  What makes me think the envelope could be original is based on an article posted on Psywarrior.com by Herbert Friedman indicating that Hannover was one of the 3 cancellations he had observed and that the cancellation dates ran from January 24 through April 9, 1945. The cancellation on the envelope I have looks like a dead ringer for one in one of the illustrations in the article -- dropped at Ruhsdorf, Bavaria.

Thanks very much for taking the time to look at my posting and responding.  It is very helpful.
Dennis

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2015, 09:21:12 AM »
That's encouraging that Herb has seen cancellations into April, he certainly has more data than myself on Cornflakes. Will drop him an email about this thread.

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2015, 10:17:58 AM »
Everybody is talking about that fabulous Herb Friedman, I also know and love the guy so let me check my files. That envelope looks pretty good. Among my list of known cancels from Hanover I see that there were over a dozen envelopes dated April 9, 1945 all sent to Dresden or Leipzig.

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 11:17:34 AM »
Thanks to der Chef and Bertf for the assistance.

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 11:54:35 AM »
Everybody is talking about that fabulous Herb Friedman, I also know and love the guy so let me check my files. That envelope looks pretty good. Among my list of known cancels from Hanover I see that there were over a dozen envelopes dated April 9, 1945 all sent to Dresden or Leipzig.

Herb, do you have any information on when/how the later dated envelopes were disseminated?
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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2015, 02:50:49 PM »
I actually have too much information. I probably have about 6 big fat folders full of data. I would have to dig through them all to find anything. If the date is after the last air drop (and I would have to look that up) I believe that there were envelopes being smuggled into Germany (many in railroad cars) or brought over the border by agents and mailed through the regular postal system. I would have to look at it a bit.

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2015, 03:10:29 PM »
I see where the problem lies. Although the official Cornflakes booklets stops at the end of March with 10 missions, there were further missions after the booklet was printed. Looking through my own files I find:

Later official U.S. Army Air Force data indicates that there were further missions in April, the last one on 16 April. The final official total for Cornflakes is 20 missions, 320 fake German mail bags, each containing 300 letters for a total of 96,000 pieces of propaganda mail. I should note that looking through several dozen official OSS documents the number of envelopes in a mailbag is listed as 300, 400 and 800. It could be that there is some confusion between the Hungarian mailbags and the German mailbags, there was more than one size of German mailbag, or the envelopes were simply stuffed differently on different missions. As a result, the numbers we give here are all estimates.

So, it is clear that a 9 April letter could have been delivered through the usual air raid methods.

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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 08:47:19 AM »
Excellent Herb, great information on the later dissemination of Cornflakes envelopes.
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Re: New Member With a Question on "Das Neue Deutschland"
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2015, 06:08:34 PM »
Thanks everyone for the additional information and assistance. Would anyone care to offer an opinion on what the DND paper and envelope are worth?  I've searched extensively on the internet for similar items for sale as well as all sorts of auctions for records of sales with no results.

Thanks.
Dennis

 

 

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